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Meal tax leaving bad taste



Jason Tyler, owner of Attleboro’s Moose Cabin Restaurant, says food businesses are being singled out.




ATTLEBORO - A city plan to impose a 1 percent meals tax on restaurants could be headed for trouble if current legislation involving the local-option tax is not changed before receiving final approval.

The state Senate has included in its version of the state budget a provision allowing cities and towns to adopt a 2 percent meals tax.

The city of Attleboro, however, has included a 1 percent meals tax that would raise an estimated $500,000 in its budget proposal.

The Senate provision would not allow a 1 percent tax, said D.J. Corcoran, chief of staff to the Senate Ways and Means Committee.

"It would have to go directly to 2 percent," he said Wednesday.
Peter Christie, president of the Massachusetts Restaurant Association, who has been following the meals tax debate on Beacon Hill, also said the current proposal only allows for 2 percent local meals taxes.

"Attleboro couldn't do that," he said when informed of the city's 1 percent plan.

Christie said the issue has been confused by several competing tax proposals. Gov. Deval Patrick, for example, floated the idea of allowing cities and towns to adopt 1 percent or 2 percent taxes, but that measure was never approved.

The Senate 2 percent plan is the only one on the table at the moment, he said.

Further complicating the matter is that under the Senate plan, cities and towns that adopt the 2 percent tax would only get to keep half the revenue, said state Rep. Steve D'Amico, D-Seekonk.

D'Amico, who has studied the issue on behalf of Seekonk, said the first 1 percent would go to the city or town and the second half would go to the state.

The state would then distribute the money for regionalization efforts and aid to other cities and towns.

Corcoran said the state budget is currently being finalized by a conference committee. The committee has the ability to change items in the budget as long as they do not exceed the scope of the original measure, he said.

The Senate passed the local option measure to help cities and towns with budget deficits and to make up for lost state aid.

The House did not include the provision in its version of the budget. If the House does not agree to go along with the Senate plan, there would be no local meals tax allowed.
Christie said he expects a final version of the budget will be released by the conference committee Friday.

 


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sunnie13 wrote on Jun 18, 2009 10:13 PM:

" First, for you brain surgeons that do not know how to read, mmarcia was not saying she went out every day she was making a point of what the total cost would be "if" you went out everyday. You have to read all the posts to get this. Second, I can not believe how off topic this has gone. Besides the point that Jim Hand wrote two almost exact stories...the issue should have focused on the fact that this tax is not even an option. Why waste everyones time on something that has not even been established? Why was this issue even raised as a buget option if it could not be inforced? The SC should be looking into who came up with this...the restauranteaurs should know who they need to discuss this issue with if it should come to pass. The service industry has already been hit to hard...they are the very first effected when disposable income decreases. "

snarky wrote on Jun 18, 2009 7:45 PM:

" HA HA - Just read that other post. Mmarcia, hears a tip, cut dining out everyday and spend the savings on a gym membership. "

Cumberland wrote on Jun 18, 2009 6:26 PM:

" Stop Whining!!! I live in Cumberland and have been paying 8% meal tax. I still take my family out and we split our time out in Cumberland and Attleboro. "

wonderingwhy wrote on Jun 18, 2009 6:23 PM:

" Just keep taxing and attleboro will be a ghost town in a few years. Get an idea, cut spending! "

mike wrote on Jun 18, 2009 6:11 PM:

" Hey everybody - mmarcia posted on the other meals tax article in this newspaper that she eats out everyday on an average of $25 a day and is angry about the 25cents extra she will spend everytime at the cost of $91.25 a year. My suggestion to her was to eat out a little less...maybe every three days and she can cut that expense down to around $30 a year. Any other suggestions for her? "

snarky wrote on Jun 18, 2009 5:52 PM:

" mmarcia - I enjoy dining out in RI too so I am glad to hear you will not be sitting near me anytime soon. If your conversations are anything like your comments in these posts, it is comforting to know I won't have to listen to you in person while I spend my hard earned money on a luxury like eating out. Enjoy North Attleborough because that seems to be the only place you have nice things to say about. Please stay there. "

ricknkim wrote on Jun 18, 2009 4:49 PM:

" There is a distinct difference between "throwing money around" and accepting reality and then moving on. I grew-up with a family small-business and appreciate the difficulties involved but also appreciate the opportunities possible. If you or anyone else truly are in need of money for basic living expenses, I'd be happy to anonymously donate to that worthy cause. As for sending a check to the City of Attleboro, I send many and will continue to when I receive notice of payment due.

I am just growing tired of all the complaining about taxes, fees, gas, etc. and therefore am a little put off by some of the comments here. As Mr. Dantes stated, many of these costs are avoidable because they are based upon consumption. You can certainly eat out less often to avoid it, but that will of course mean less business for that mom/pop restaurant trying to survive . . . but you did save 60 cents, so there you go! "

mmarcia wrote on Jun 18, 2009 4:26 PM:

" I'm glad "ricknkim" and "Edmund.Dantes" can afford to throw money around. I'm a small business owner who offers business-to-business services, and I have to scrape for every dollar. I can't bill my clients retroactively because the economy is in the tank - I'm neither the government nor an insurance company. And being self-employed means I get taxed at a higher rate AND I give more of my income for social security, most of which I'll never see again.

I own a 12-year-old car and get 34mpg in a good week. I have a bike, but I can't bike everywhere or everyday. And I don't drink. I also have a mortgage and credit cards that don't have much on them because I'm frugal. My Christmas shopping is already started for this year - I buy it when I see it at a good price. I enjoy eating out once a week, and shouldn't be penalized for that by the government - state or local.

I assure you that I have NOT had a hand in this "economic meltdown", and I will not accept extra taxes to pay for those who did. I don't mind helping those who are legitimately disabled, but I sure don't want my hard-earned money to pay for the lazy and the stupid. So if you're trying to give money away, call me and I'll give you my address. "

Anna D wrote on Jun 18, 2009 3:01 PM:

" I'm with Southern View on this one. It is the principle. A penny here; a penny there; pretty soon you are being nickel-ed and dime-ed to death by the tax-and-spenders. I will dine out even less now. I'm starting to enjoy home cooking again. "

AndrewJackson wrote on Jun 18, 2009 2:46 PM:

" ricknkim-- I am very happy to hear you are doing well, but please understand that a lot of people are not. Please feel free to write a check out to the City of Attleboro if you feel morally obligated.. "

jose21 wrote on Jun 18, 2009 2:23 PM:

" I'm with rick - what's the big deal? I don't go out to eat enough for this to bother me. Once or twice a month. If I need to for over a few extra bucks, oh well. Just my opinion. "

Edmund.Dantes wrote on Jun 18, 2009 2:21 PM:

" I still regularly eat out in a variety of Providence/Newport/RI restaurants and I cannot say that the meals tax or sales tax has negatively impacted my enjoyment of the meal or caused me concern that it might break my monthly dining budget. While realist is correct in his pennies add up analogy, as much of it is based on consumption, there is a remedy...consume less. Don't drive anywhere you could easily bike or walk and you save on the gas taxes. Don't buy the priciest booze so you can save on the federal excise tax AND the sales tax. Don't buy the bigger, more expensive vehicles so you can save on sales, excise AND, over time, gas taxes. When folks start to realize that their arguments are predicated on the absurd notion that you should be able to buy anything you want for the dirt-cheapest prices and, instead, start asking themselves why they need all that "stuff" in the first place, it becomes much easier to save undesired tax spending and focus on spending on what you need rather than on everything you want. "

ricknkim wrote on Jun 18, 2009 2:05 PM:

" Sounds good mmarcia - enjoy your local restaurants, there are some decent ones and you'll be saving too!

I don't mind paying taxes, I'm blessed to make a decent salary and see it as my moral responsibility to support those who can't - doesn't really bother me and there's more important things in my life. That doesn't say I want my elected officials to waste money nor that I condone those who take advantage of social support programs - just that I am personally willing to help the greater good and reluctantly accept the less desirables cheating. I'm happy to pay the extra $100 annually for a meals tax and will eat out a little more in RI to cover the devastating losses that state has lost due to mmarcia boycotting their restaurants (just kidding, relax).

I do my best to hold elected officials accountable by voting in every election, writing letters/phoning their offices when I take offense to their leadership. The problem is, we (America) have pathetic turn-out during elections and re-elect these fools. So are the elected hacks to blame or is our society to blame for allowing them to govern?

We've all had a hand in creating this economic meltdown, now we all should accept some of the penalties (meals tax) in the interim so our governments can provide the police and fire protection, school departments improving education, etc. "

realist wrote on Jun 18, 2009 1:17 PM:

" ricknkim - if you look at the number of times politicians try to put through their pet tax increases saying they are insignificant amounts or only pennies a day -- it adds up.
A 20% increase in meals taxes, a 30% increase in the sales tax, the .3% extra on income tax that the voters wanted rolled back bust was ignored, outrageous hikes in cigarette taxes ( I don't smoke but I don't advocate scr@wing those that do. I'm sure the governor will want something of his gas tax hike too.
All to support a corrupt and unresponsive government. When do we say enough? "

anavoter wrote on Jun 18, 2009 1:06 PM:

" This meal tax is a bad idea. The state should not be creating ways (enabling) for local cities and towns to increase the tax burden on residents. Attleboro should live within its existing tax revenues and if that means cuts in service or personnel so be it.

Attleboro should reduce its spending and trim the payroll. "

attman63 wrote on Jun 18, 2009 1:05 PM:

" ok 1333 here you go for ideas:
1. We have top notch business colleges up here with the best/brightest- Harvard Public Administration senior project: audit a city with $100M budget. We get objective, expert advice and pay NOTHING for it-
2. PROVEN RESULTS: Sales tax holiday for Attleboro!
3. What are other towns in our situation doing (other than raising taxes)? "

mmarcia wrote on Jun 18, 2009 11:46 AM:

" ricknkim: you ARE off base - I'm talking about more than a few cents here and there. Some of my favorite restaurants are in RI, but I won't pay an extra 3% to support their mismanaged government. Remember that they already have a 7% sales tax! Their "1% meals tax" was added 3-4 years ago, and ALL restaurants are required to collect it. Where is it going? To the RI tourism council, to get more people to come to places like Newport - as if Newport couldn't attract whomever they attract. You couldn't pay me to go there.

I've gotten a bit off the subject, but remember tat if you find a quarter every day it adds up to $91.25 over a year. Better in my pocket than theirs! So, I don't go to' The Hill' for italian, to the water for fish, etc. "

1333 wrote on Jun 18, 2009 11:46 AM:

" I'm now convinced that it's up to the people of Attleboro to come up with a solution on how bring Attleboro back to where it once was. Everyone on this board is pretty smart and rather creative. So how about some ideas and suggestions. Just throw it out there. (No criticism of ideas please). My suggestion)s: offer tax cuts to business. Advertise to make Attleboro the home of jewelry once again. . Come on guys, ideas? Suggestions? "

ricknkim wrote on Jun 18, 2009 11:08 AM:

" You stopped going out to eat in RI because they added a 1% increase to meals tax mmarcia? Wow, that takes being a nickle/dimer to a whole new level. Whatever works for you and makes you happy - I think you're in the minority of MA residents in claiming you'd eliminate restaurant patronage over 30 cents here or 65 cents there. Call me daddy money-bucks if you must.

If I am off-base, I apologize - but I just don't comprehend someone dropping a restaurant because their bill might increase by such an insignificant amount. "

common sense coordinator wrote on Jun 18, 2009 10:46 AM:

" I agree that this tax is an easier answer for local politicians but I also don't see this recession going away with some form of increased revenue. I lean Republican so I obviously am opposed to just raising taxes. However, and unfortunately, this may be needed (albeit because legislators have been historically inefficient at running state government). And, please, don't tell me that if meal price rises anywhere between $0.10 and $1.50 it would deter you from eating out. If you can't afford one extra dollar you can't afford to eat out period. However, if you are fundamentally opposed to paying the extra meal's tax I fully support you. "

realist wrote on Jun 18, 2009 10:31 AM:

" I am a bit confused though. Is the state meals tax going to 6.5% along with the sales tax and this will bring it to 8.5% or the total meals tax going to be 7%?
Southern View has a good memory. I also seem to recall when the meals tax was supposed to pay for programs for the elderly.
I am with mmarcia - I used to enjoy some of the casual dining restaurants in nearby RI and one high end one for special occasions. It's cheaper to go to stay local - for now.
There are come of chain restaurants in different towns that are about equidistant from my house - depending on if I turn left or right. Let's see which towns start charging the tax. I'm sure that no town will forgo the tax. "

attman63 wrote on Jun 18, 2009 10:31 AM:

" Taxes are a penalty on us for our own complacency and disinterest in govermnent. If we let them get away with this, then we deserve all the taxes they can burden us with and more. "

Gridiron09 wrote on Jun 18, 2009 10:31 AM:

" Nothing can stop J.Tyler and The Moose Cabin even dealing with rising meal tax and horrible location, the Moose still has to be at top of your list for a good reasonable priced meal. The lounge has also seen some major improvements in last few months. The Moose bends over backwards for there customers and we as the people need more businesses like this one. Keep up the good work. "

mmarcia wrote on Jun 18, 2009 9:59 AM:

" I used to go to some restaurants in Rhode Island. When they added a 1% meals tax (to their already high 7% sales tax) I stopped going. Now there's ONE RI restaurant I go to ONCE a year. That 1% can be the difference between eating out locally and eating at home. "

Southern View wrote on Jun 18, 2009 9:49 AM:

" It's not that the 1% meals tax is a big amount. However, once the greedy pols realize that people are OK with that, you know what's going to happen. Next year it will go up to 2%, then 3%, etc. Do any of you remember the first state sales tax? That was 3%, and it was only to be a TEMPORARY tax. Yea, right. And the people of MA actually believed that crap. Once the pols have a new tax, the only thing will happen is that it will become permanent and it will gradually increase. Another reason to vote the looney liberals out of office. "

ricknkim wrote on Jun 18, 2009 9:38 AM:

" Elected officials look for the easy way out and the way to get the most with peeing off the least. Meals tax is low-hanging fruit. The political hacks don't get it and are more interested in their young interns than what average folks care about/need.

I do wonder what impact a 1-2% increase on meals tax would have on consumption though. What is the average restaurant bill - $75? So the added meals tax will add $.75 or $1.50? Not sure that would deter me in the least bit from going out for a nice dinner . . . . or if you hit Burger King, that $10 crappy meal will go up $.10-$.20?.

What I do agree with is that the mom/pop restaurants continually get it over a barrell for doing business in Massachusetts. "

kevin h. wrote on Jun 18, 2009 7:37 AM:

" CUT SPENDING!!! "

mayst wrote on Jun 18, 2009 4:35 AM:

" Our city officials errored again. They didn't even look into proposals before jumping on the tax train. They might only get 1/2 of collected money, might have to charge 2 percent? Thank you officials for looking into all aspects of this meal tax before putting into budget. I have no confidence in our city officials. "